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 Post subject: Bondmen and Recovery Agents, you may want to read this....
 Post Posted: Fri 30 May 2014 14:00 
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I think all bondsmen should make a note of this .... IMHO

I have been a licensed bondsman for about 14 years... during that time I have had to outsource recoveries that were a bit out of my realm of expertise... either due to physical limitations or just plain no time to fool with them... as I have said many times... I am a candy azz and sometimes will call someone else to do recoveries for me... thus saving me from getting bruised up or worse.... 8) 8) :shock:

Ok.... Now there are times when the recovery agents did not find or did not bring in the skip... sometimes, the person was already in jail or sometimes I was able to do the recovery or sometimes they turned themselves in .... anyway.... on those occasions, the agents did not complete the recovery...

Maybe some of you (bondsmen) believe that no recovery means no money and I am certainly not gonna try to change your mind on that... but I want to offer a little insight that you may want to think about the next time your recovery people don't bring in your 'man'.

Do you owe any money when this happens.... well,,,,, maybe not but maybe so........ here's my take on it...

I can remember several occasions when I ask for assistance.... not only in recovery but also in working out details with LE and attorneys and a few involving US Marshals and such, on weird cases I sometime find myself involved in.

On those occasions and on other occasions when the recovery agents I hired did not find the skip for whatever reason as mentioned above.... I still felt an obligation for services rendered.

A few years ago, a new recovery agent called me on a case and I agreed to let him work it… he called me less than 3 hours later and informed me that the skip had been arrested and was back in jail... he had done nothing but call the jail to find this out... he did not make the pickup. He told me to “not worry about” it but I sent him a check because he had done a service for me and I just felt he deserved compensation for what he had done. It wasn’t much but I felt he should be paid.

Another time a well known agent did a fair amount of field work and then before he could make the apprehension, the skip got locked up. I paid him what he asked because he had fielded several agents and had done a fair amount of looking for which he should be paid.

So… you make the call on these cases but be fair and if you honestly believe the recovery agent has “earned a fee”, even though he may not have recovered the skip, for whatever reason… pay him. Maybe not the full amount, but pay something for his time and effort.

Now I will offer this… one of the main reasons I do this is rather selfish… it enhances my reputation as an honest man… 'not an easy man, but honest'.

If you do this more often than not, your reputation as an honest bondsman will increase and the next time you call on this agent or someone that he has been in touch with and has told about you… you will have no trouble finding a reputable recovery service for your needs.

… and trust me on this… how you interact with other bondsmen and recovery agents will follow you… good or bad, your reputation will be greatly affected. Just give it some thought the next time you put a recovery agent on a case.

One other bit of advice.... it is not a good idea to hire a recovery team and then hire another at the same time... if you are not happy with the first hire... tell them about it and cut them loose before you put someone else on the case... nothing pisses off recovery people more than playing two separate, non connected teams on the same skip... :evil: :evil:



added later.... I have to mention something that is pertinent on this post.... I have never signed a contract, I have them and I suppose I could get everyone to sign off on them, but to date... I just never have used them... the agents I use know me and they know I am a man of my word... the problems I see happening when a bondsman doesn't pay up after the fact probably should have required a contract be signed but I have always simply trusted the agent to do the right thing and he trusts me also... of course if I should ever hire someone outside my realm of knowledge or if I just don't know a lot about them... I may require a contract, but frankly.... as long as I can continue to deal with those I know.... I just don't need a contract....

I know everyone says contracts keep you honest and protect you legally but... well, maybe so, but I will continue in my ways... BTW.... I always make sure that the person I deal with is licensed and compliant and that is usually enough... most of the time... :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Bondmen and Recovery Agents, you may want to read this..
 Post Posted: Fri 30 May 2014 20:09 
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts; that was excellent!

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 Post subject: Re: Bondmen and Recovery Agents, you may want to read this..
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 Post subject: Re: Bondmen and Recovery Agents, you may want to read this..
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Great post Bill!!

Or if a bondsman feels like the recovery person has not provided the ideal "arrest" or services, but has discovered a legal option for a bondsman to be exonerated from a bond, then I believe that the recovery agent has earned a fee. If you still disagree with that then I guess your set in your ways and no matter what anybody says will change your views (even though I believe those views are wrong) and that recovery agent should at least be reimbursed their expenses.

Regarding contracts......I wish there was not a need for them, unfortunately, people prove people otherwise on a daily basis. People are not as stand up as you Bill......or as a few others (had to add that before people start attacking me for only singling you out in that comment).

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We have a set fee for found in custody small but there. Often we will take and file a Bond Surrender form if thy are in custody but no FTA on our case.

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 Post subject: Re: Bondmen and Recovery Agents, you may want to read this..
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A great post , wish there were a like button :)


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Geez!
You really hit the mark with this post!
I can recall my second case where a guy was already in custody, called the bondsmen, let me know that he would deal with the guy Monday because he would be out of town over the weekend and said he would send a check to compensate or time without me even asking for it; asked me several days in a row after that what jail and who said he was in custody; so I figured I really may have messed up not getting more information. So I called the jail, got the inmate ID and booking number and found that the local jail he was at (different county just to make that clear), I bondsmen by then wouldn't answer my calls and no check.

Since then, work had been dry and the possible business relationship has far departed.

Anyone have a one up add to anything I should do next time? (other than take a booking card to the jail and have then fill it out to take to the bondsmen)

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 Post subject: Re: Bondmen and Recovery Agents, you may want to read this..
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Harbinger, check your email inbox. I just sent you a little "something." I hope that it helps you.

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I agree with you, Bill. It should be a case by case, individual by individual thing, but for the most part I CONCUR. I actually come from a time and place where most things were done with a handshake and a "head nod of understanding". I really miss those days. I am originally from the deep south and that's just how things were done. Really hard to do that nowadays but once you find a good guy(s) you sort of stick with 'em...

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Thank you for the something!
However, do i have to get a small business license for that work for me?

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