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speezack
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Post subject: How can we compete with these actions??  Posted: Wed 13 Nov 2013 20:40 |
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Joined: Fri 02 Mar 2007 10:51
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Location: South Central Virginia
FRN Agency ID #: 1474
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Bonded a man several months ago... weapons charge, $4000 bond. He FTA's on his second appearance, was not running, just didn't go to court... the locals picked him up and transported him back to jail. I got wind of it and got my warrant and headed to the jail to come off the bond... guess what??? The magistrate PR'd him .... DO WHAT???????????????? PR'D AN FTA???Not too long ago that was a NO bond charge and would be held till his court date. How in the world can I maintain my work ethic, my compliance, my professionalism in the business when the powers that be... the courts, the magistrates and often the judges do things as obviously irresponsible as this... hard to tell me I am liable when they cut em loose on their own R.... This defendant had a rap sheet as long as my arm... yes, I did bond him but I had and do have a good amount of info and he is not a runner, just a bad boy that misses court... I can go get him but hey... LE picked him up... which I actually knew would happen but then he was PR'd... oh well, I guess I will just have to ride over to his 'hood' and bring him in.... just hope he doesn't pull that "weapon" he was charged with on me.... The point here is that we as bondsman, me and my daughter in particular, work awfully hard to comply with the rules and regulations and once again... it seems to be only applied to our side... very disheartening. Comments welcome.... once again... my rule... "rule of thumb is... there is no rule of thumb"... 
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KARMA
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Post subject: Re: How can we compete with these actions?? Posted: Wed 13 Nov 2013 22:18 |
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Joined: Mon 14 Feb 2005 10:59
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Location: Arkansas
FRN Agency ID #: 340
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Quote: The magistrate PR'd him .... DO WHAT???????????????? PR'D AN FTA??? That should exonerate you of the bond . . . does it not ? Here it would . . . . However I must admit, lately nothing surprises me
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B Williams
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Post subject: Re: How can we compete with these actions?? Posted: Thu 14 Nov 2013 05:23 |
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Joined: Wed 20 Apr 2011 14:25
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What Luvonda said would work in NC. He was arrested for the FTA on your bond. That would work in NC not sure about VA.
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Bill Williams
Bail Agent
Eagle Bonding Services
Asheville NC 28804
828-777-8667
Lic # NC10013561
Lic # TN 2033018
Never be haughty to the humble
or humble to the haughty - Jefferson Davis
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BondgirlCA
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Post subject: Re: How can we compete with these actions?? Posted: Thu 14 Nov 2013 06:07 |
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Joined: Thu 23 Nov 2006 18:44
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Location: San Ramon, CA
FRN Agency ID #: 1366
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Same here...you'd be off the bond
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NYPD BLUE
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Post subject: Re: How can we compete with these actions?? Posted: Thu 14 Nov 2013 07:13 |
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Joined: Thu 16 Dec 2010 10:07
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Location: Miami, FL
FRN Agency ID #: 3828
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Doesnt surprise me... Just recently had a $50,000 Drug Trafficking Charge... guy FTA'd .. gets arrested by Police.. and at bond hearing next morning.. gets ROR .. !  and was released.. !!!! Unreal ... Motion filed to get off estreature & that the Deft was in custody and BW was served by PD .. Judge at first didnt want to Discharge bond .. but after the lawyer stated that Judge SO n SO ROR'd the Deft at Bond Hearing .. the Bond was Discharged quicker than a blink of an eye..
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OrangeCountyBounty
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Post subject: Re: How can we compete with these actions?? Posted: Fri 15 Nov 2013 13:43 |
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Joined: Fri 27 Mar 2009 21:26
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Location: Orange, CA
FRN Agency ID #: 3671
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That's an easy exoneration here in California.
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Founding member, NABBI (Nat'l Assoc. of Bail Bond Inv.)
Ca. Bail Agent Lic#1845795
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Mdbtyhtr
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Post subject: Re: How can we compete with these actions?? Posted: Fri 15 Nov 2013 15:25 |
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Joined: Thu 06 Jul 2006 14:22
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Location: Maryland and Virginia
FRN Agency ID #: 455
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That would be an exoneration in MD as well. Hew was apprehended on the FTA and given a new bond, the ROR.
Scott
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"Leaders are like Eagles, you never see them in a flock, but one at a time"
Chesapeake Group Investigations, Inc.
Chesapeake Bail Bonds
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Post subject: Re: How can we compete with these actions?? Posted: Wed 20 Nov 2013 00:02 |
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Joined: Mon 16 Sep 2013 07:43
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Location: Johnston County, NC
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speezack wrote: Bonded a man several months ago... weapons charge, $4000 bond. He FTA's on his second appearance, was not running, just didn't go to court... the locals picked him up and transported him back to jail. That is crazy.... ...what are the judiciary rules I realize judges have a fair amount of descretion but surely there is something in place. At least when he FTA next time it won't be on your dime..  I got wind of it and got my warrant and headed to the jail to come off the bond... guess what??? The magistrate PR'd him .... DO WHAT???????????????? PR'D AN FTA???Not too long ago that was a NO bond charge and would be held till his court date. How in the world can I maintain my work ethic, my compliance, my professionalism in the business when the powers that be... the courts, the magistrates and often the judges do things as obviously irresponsible as this... hard to tell me I am liable when they cut em loose on their own R.... This defendant had a rap sheet as long as my arm... yes, I did bond him but I had and do have a good amount of info and he is not a runner, just a bad boy that misses court... I can go get him but hey... LE picked him up... which I actually knew would happen but then he was PR'd... oh well, I guess I will just have to ride over to his 'hood' and bring him in.... just hope he doesn't pull that "weapon" he was charged with on me.... The point here is that we as bondsman, me and my daughter in particular, work awfully hard to comply with the rules and regulations and once again... it seems to be only applied to our side... very disheartening. Comments welcome.... once again... my rule... "rule of thumb is... there is no rule of thumb"...
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Robert J Brown
Bail Bondsman
NPN: 17113240
Holmes Bail Bonding
Johnston County, NC
(919) 376.6661
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B Williams
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Post subject: Re: How can we compete with these actions?? Posted: Wed 20 Nov 2013 08:07 |
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Robert,
There is no need to re-arrest this person. Talk with your supervising agent. This one is a no brainer in NC and it's just a matter of filing a motion to get off the bond.
Bill
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Bill Williams
Bail Agent
Eagle Bonding Services
Asheville NC 28804
828-777-8667
Lic # NC10013561
Lic # TN 2033018
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Post subject: Re: How can we compete with these actions?? Posted: Wed 18 Dec 2013 08:14 |
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Location: Jacksonville, Florida
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I would talk to your lawyer, as I think there would even possibly be criminal or civil liability towards you if you were to go and try to rearrest the defendant once the original warrant had been served on your bond and the client was released on a new bond, -- the OR bond.
I would think that you no longer have the legal right to rearrest the Defendant. I would check this out before doing so, I would also gather up previous case law in your state and others pertaining to getting off the bond once he had a new bond set on the same case.
I am sure many of Us can recall cases to use as examples. However, it ultimately depends on what your state laws are and how they are worded. Maybe check with your state bail assn and the Insurance department or whoever the governing authority is for your bail bond licence.
I hope this helps, just food for thought.
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Bail Bond Technologies
Florida & Georgia
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