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KARMA
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Post subject: Re: Attitude, Going In! Posted: Fri 27 Jan 2012 10:16 |
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Joined: Mon 14 Feb 2005 10:59 Posts: 7563 Location: Arkansas
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tsuggs
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Post subject: Re: Attitude, Going In! Posted: Fri 27 Jan 2012 12:29 |
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Joined: Thu 09 Mar 2006 14:51 Posts: 3344
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Mel and all,
In CA the bail recovery law came into effect because of the false report of a "bounty hunter" killing in AZ in 1997 or 1998.
Since CA did not have a bail recovery specific course already on the books, they threw together what they thought would be educational enough to "teach" CA bail fugitive recovery persons, how to be bounty hunters.
The classes that they required were, the bail agent pre license course, the first level of the P.O.S.T. 832 course and the security guard powers of arrest course.
It was NOT required that the bounty hunter would have to apply or obtain any licenses that would be available to them if they completed any of those courses.
The State never issued any type of license to CA BFRPs. All that was required was that the BFRP had to carry proof of completion of the 3 courses.
Again, that law has sun setted and anyone can, at least right now, come to CA and work bail recovery if they want to.
However, they will have a hard time doing so without some verifiable training, experience or at least qualified under the old law, because most bail agents will not hire anyone that will be a potential liabilty to them.
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Agent11-117
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Post subject: Re: Attitude, Going In! Posted: Fri 27 Jan 2012 21:13 |
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Joined: Tue 24 Jan 2012 02:29 Posts: 160 Location: Aurora, Colorado
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Honey Badger wrote: Quote: But if not, how can an FRA be charged with false arrest if they haven't performed the act of 'arresting' somebody to start with? Here, one would be charged with Unlawful Imprisonment and or Kidnapping . . . However not a "False Arrest" charge Howdy! Fair point. Different jurisdictions may view it through their own codes, laws, statutes, etc. Here you can get charged with false arrest. The language of our law on kidnapping seems like anybody could run afoul of that particular issue just by asking somebody to step aside! The verbage is pretty darn loose. Thanks for your insight. Mel
_________________ Mel Edington, Fugitive Recovery Agent CDOI 2011-117 Colorado Private Investigator, DORA PI10000052 Athame Investigations, division of Colorado Bounty Hunter LLC Aurora, Colorado 303-343-7111 Office 303-319-1077 Cell 303-366-3189 Fax
Available for Fugitive Recovery, Process Service, Investigation and Legal Courier Service.
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AcaciaCon
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Post subject: Re: Attitude, Going In! Posted: Thu 02 Feb 2012 02:43 |
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Joined: Thu 17 Jun 2010 20:14 Posts: 83 Location: Sacramento, CA
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Agent11-117 wrote: Just to ask for my edification... Why do the folks who teach bounty hunting in California call it "Prelicensing Requirement" if there ain't no license to accomodate the prelicensing requirement? Am I missing something there?
Thanks Again for the Chat! Mel
In case your question wasn't answered, the pre-licensing course is for a bail agents license, not a fugitive recovery persons license (which doesn't exist). The state just required it for fugitive recovery persons as an informational course.
_________________ Demian Ross Acacia Consulting Group 916.241.FIND(3463) 1.877.556.3678 California PC1299 Compliant Fugitive Recovery Process Serving Mobile Notary Security Consulting
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Agent11-117
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Post subject: Re: Attitude, Going In! Posted: Thu 02 Feb 2012 21:16 |
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Joined: Tue 24 Jan 2012 02:29 Posts: 160 Location: Aurora, Colorado
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AcaciaCon wrote: Agent11-117 wrote: Just to ask for my edification... Why do the folks who teach bounty hunting in California call it "Prelicensing Requirement" if there ain't no license to accomodate the prelicensing requirement? Am I missing something there?
Thanks Again for the Chat! Mel
In case your question wasn't answered, the pre-licensing course is for a bail agents license, not a fugitive recovery persons license (which doesn't exist). The state just required it for fugitive recovery persons as an informational course. Hola! My question hadn't been answered, so thank you for taking time to explain it for me. And it was an easily understood answer at that. Well done there! Much obliged to you for clearning up that particular web of mystery and intrique! LOL! Thanks again, Mel
_________________ Mel Edington, Fugitive Recovery Agent CDOI 2011-117 Colorado Private Investigator, DORA PI10000052 Athame Investigations, division of Colorado Bounty Hunter LLC Aurora, Colorado 303-343-7111 Office 303-319-1077 Cell 303-366-3189 Fax
Available for Fugitive Recovery, Process Service, Investigation and Legal Courier Service.
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tsuggs
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Post subject: Re: Attitude, Going In! Posted: Fri 03 Feb 2012 11:50 |
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Joined: Thu 09 Mar 2006 14:51 Posts: 3344
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WELL EXCUSE MEEEEEEEEEE!
If you all will take a gander back at my post of JAN 27, 2012, I thought I answered that question in quite detail.
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Agent11-117
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Post subject: Re: Attitude, Going In! Posted: Fri 03 Feb 2012 21:34 |
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Joined: Tue 24 Jan 2012 02:29 Posts: 160 Location: Aurora, Colorado
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tsuggs wrote: WELL EXCUSE MEEEEEEEEEE!
If you all will take a gander back at my post of JAN 27, 2012, I thought I answered that question in quite detail. Sorry Amigo! I evidently saw it originally, but forgot about it due to some fuss going on in my life. Caught myself one nasty little cold, and spent three glorious days off from the day job just trying to recover! You'd think, now that I've become certified as a recovery agent, I'd do a better job recovering from this current malady. But Noooooo! You're right. You did chip in a real good slice of information and I apologize. No slight intended whatsoever. I have another day off tomorrow... and will spend a glorious day working the snow shovel! And we got no shortage of snow around these parts. You may have heard we had a little white fluffy around here, and whatever you've heard doesn't begin to cover the subject. We done got buried here. A snow blower would be nice right about now. Until the snow blower fairy drops one off at my house, guess I'll be doing it the old fashioned way..... and I can hardly wait! Have a terrific (possibly snow free) day! Mel
_________________ Mel Edington, Fugitive Recovery Agent CDOI 2011-117 Colorado Private Investigator, DORA PI10000052 Athame Investigations, division of Colorado Bounty Hunter LLC Aurora, Colorado 303-343-7111 Office 303-319-1077 Cell 303-366-3189 Fax
Available for Fugitive Recovery, Process Service, Investigation and Legal Courier Service.
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tsuggs
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Post subject: Re: Attitude, Going In! Posted: Sat 04 Feb 2012 13:32 |
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Joined: Thu 09 Mar 2006 14:51 Posts: 3344
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Apologies accepted! We out here in CA are drinking in all this sunshine. No snow or rain at least until Tuesday! BTW, what is a snow blower?
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Agent11-117
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Post subject: Re: Attitude, Going In! Posted: Tue 07 Feb 2012 11:22 |
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Joined: Tue 24 Jan 2012 02:29 Posts: 160 Location: Aurora, Colorado
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tsuggs wrote: Apologies accepted! We out here in CA are drinking in all this sunshine. No snow or rain at least until Tuesday! BTW, what is a snow blower? Howdy Tony! Nice.... ya really know how to hurt a guy! We just got another dose of snow today. They claimed we'd likely get less than an inch. I'll be out there shortly to shovel off another three inches of the stuff from my walks. We got sunshine out there now. That just makes the snow brighter. Next thing you'll be telling me is that you're going to the beach later today!!!! Wow..... talk about salting the wound! Thanks for enhancing my joy of living in snow country! Mel
_________________ Mel Edington, Fugitive Recovery Agent CDOI 2011-117 Colorado Private Investigator, DORA PI10000052 Athame Investigations, division of Colorado Bounty Hunter LLC Aurora, Colorado 303-343-7111 Office 303-319-1077 Cell 303-366-3189 Fax
Available for Fugitive Recovery, Process Service, Investigation and Legal Courier Service.
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tsuggs
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Post subject: Re: Attitude, Going In! Posted: Tue 07 Feb 2012 12:08 |
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Joined: Thu 09 Mar 2006 14:51 Posts: 3344
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Hi Mel, No wont be going to the beach today. Got a little rain. But I will be taking the lap dogs to the dog park tomorrow for their daily walk in the park. Suppose to be clear and warm the rest of the week.
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