SWAT Team Shoots Armed Flarida 8th-Grader

A well trained person could determine between a real gun and a pellet gun? HA

Take a second and look up airsoft on the internet, or even bb gun. Airsoft makes realistic looking bb guns, no orange tip, and they work, slide moves and everything, even when fired.

Come on people, do you actually believe the stuff that falls out of your mouth?

I think the original post stated that the child raised the pistol at the officer. That is an act of aggression.

Only one reasonable reaction for me... 2 IN THE CHEST

I can tell this JACK _ _ _ has never been a cop. Never had a gun pulled on him shot at.Much less shot. I will tell you now someone pulls any thing that looks like a gun on me or my team is not going home that night.
thebountysite get a LIFE and A CLUE.

non lethal weapons are not to be used against lethal weapons period -lethal to lethal--some accpertions in my opinion a knofe weilding subject beyond my 10 foot comfort zone --a pipe or anyother contact weapon beyond 10 foot comfort zone--thses objects depending on circumstances might allow me to use non lethal weapons -tazer-chemical etc.and again i say might depending on situation.the second a weapon with lethal capabilities are with in my comfort zone lethal force will be used--the second a gun is pointed at me or my team(even if its a toy but looks real-i have aprop gun thats only shoots blanks but looks very real-i got it for thirty dollars off the internet)if i believe to be a real gun i will perform a double tap to the chest area again no second thoughts--indecision kills training saves lives

the answer to your answer is yes it is the actors fault not the worlds his parents or the school--he made the decision to bring the gun and cause the action--I will agree there are circumstances that might have caused him to do it but the end decision was his and only his--in a situation like this there is only black and white no gray-weapon comes up perp dies

That's ridiculous for brining up something like that in this thread.

If you are trying to say that there are cops who are bad, then sure, that's true. But you are trying to bring up a few to discredit the many.

Do you want to point out how many NON-POLICE are out there who are criminals? I don't know the exact numbers but I think it's safe to say there are more NON-POLICE who are criminals then there are police.

In fact, since you are Mr. Fugitive Website why don't you tell us the ratio of police to non-police who are wanted on your site. Then let's start poling all the prisons in the US and determine how many of them are or were cops vs how many are not or never were.

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sure there are bad cops --there are also bad beas there are also mechanics and bad doctors and bad butchers bakers and candlestick makers--I knew bad cops on nypd--but the straight fact is most cops are not screw ups--we are people and people screw up--i could follow a person long enough and most likely find him committing a crime--ie in new hampshire lieing to a repossessor about the where abouts of bank collateral is a crime(hindering in the collection or concealing bank collateral is a crime called fraud on creditor -depending on the value of the collateral it is either a felony or a misdomeanor)in some state adultry is a crime--some states it is a crime when you move and do not report your new address to dmv--i know of hundreds of felonys committed here in nh(it is a crime to sell or transfer bank collateral with out notification to the bank--it i happens here hundreds of times a year with snowmobiles-atvs-and boats--all of those people are guilty of a class b felony

in my 2000 plus arrests since 1972 i have arrested 5 cops- -I have a friend that is an ex cop and he is in jail here in nh for stalking--peoiple screw up--i dare say the percentage of cop to civilians arrested and charged and found guilty of a crime is lower than the norm

That is nothing about what I asked for. I asked for the Ratio of police to citizen criminals. Let me explain what I am asking since it is obvious you do not understand the concept of Ratio.

if in the year 2005 there were X amount of criminals convicted. How many of X were police and how many were non-police. In 2005 there were X amount of people incarcerated in jails. of X how many were police and how many were non-police.

You throw a handful of cases at me and say 'see this proves what I am saying'. What you are obviously overlooking is that I can throw truckloads of cases at you by non-police criminals.

Here is an example... I averaged over a thousand arrests a year for three years (this includes citations issued, but not reports filed, or calls went on). Of more than 3000 arrests/citations I did NOT have a single one where an officer or former officer was involved. That is a RATIO of 0 to 3000 (or 3000 to 0 depeding on which way you want to phrase it). Now since our Dept averaged over 90000 call outs a year and of those call outs I do not recall any involving police officers, I could say that RATIO was even greater.

You say there is ONE former officer on your website that is wanted. How many others are on your website (I noticed you declined to post that data).

I must say though that your reply was typical of individuals who ignore the facts because the facts do not support their arguement.

You really need to get off the soapbox and reread your posts.

I am not sure you are trying to say what I think you are saying.

Based on your posts you are saying you are glad you are not, never were, or probably ever will be, a cop because cops are criminals.

From personal experience I agree with Hadley regarding the ratio of crimines commited by police vs crimes committed by non-police.

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Ok let's sum this up.

Basically what I'm saying is this:

The facts are that there are:

1. many Juveniles (some younger than the 15 yr depicted in this thread) kill people intentionally, they have done so for thousands of years (if you believe history).

2. if a person (kid or not) points what appears to be a lethal weapon at you then he accepts the responsibility of what happens. Just like if you jump off a buiilding, just because you don't believe in gravity does not mean you won't go splat.

3. if someone has less than lethal means at hand than one should use them (provided that this does not sacrifice your own safety).

4. if you wish to sacrifice your own safety then by all means do so, but do not volunteer someone else's life, volunteer your own. Go out there to the "hood" and wait for a gang of teenagers to commit some type of crime (not to stereotype but I'm sure you won't wait long), then try to stop them with a can of pepperspray and/or a taser. By the way, there was an incident at my old dept. where they chucked in a cs canister (I don't remember the brand) to the house of a baricaded suspect who was armed. The canister set fire to the drapes and burned the house down.

5. police live through, see things, and have training and experience that most people who are not, or have not been le have seen (this is true for soldiers in combat as well, they have seen, done, and experienced things many who have not been in similiar situations have not).

6. To say that a highly trained individual could tell the difference between a real and a fake gun is ludacris - and I'm not talking about the rapper. As it was stated, go look at what's for sale out there in the pellet gun arena... now if the pellet gun in this situation was bright orange and looked like a super soaker then maybe (keep in mind though many "kids" and individuals in general are painting their weapons. There are some gangs which paint their guns red. In fact I know someone who got his gun professional durakoted in PINK for his wife).

7. this is not to say that there are not "bad" cops, but as hadley so elequently put, there are "bad" people in every profession. the fact is that there are just "bad" people period. that is why we have rules and laws in place to attempt to reduce them (notice I said "reduce" and not stop. due to the nature of humanity as well as the principles of duality, I do not think it is possible to elminate "bad").

9. I have no idea why "cops are bad and I would never be one" is your opnion. Nor do I see the relevance as it related to your original posts unless of course you are alleging the officer in question was a criminal rapist or something. I can only assume a bad experience had been had in which a police officer was involved. Kind of like being bitten by a doberman, and now one fears and hates dobermans, regardless of the fact that other dogs may be more dangerous.

8. That was a pretty creepy picture

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thebountysite......

First off, I'm appalled at your postings and opinions. Being a former LEO, I only see an individual here who is anti-police. This will take you very far in this industry, especially the first time you have a run in with law enforcement, or even worse, the one and only time that you feel that you feel in the matter of a split second that the gun was "fake" and LE has to go tell your family or your partners family that your deceased. In my former LE position, I did have the opportunity to attend the FBI Basic SWAT school and can tell you this..... it was an unsuccessful operation. Any time that the loss of life occurs during a SWAT or LE situation, the operation is unsuccessful in most ways but at the same time, had that weapon been real, it may have been a success that no other individuals were injured or killed. No matter how you look at it, I feel sorry for both the family and the officers involved, this is something they all have to live with for many years to come. The young man was not mentally ill and was fully responsible for his own actions. According to those witnesses, including a very close friend of his, he intended on dying that day......this is considered by most to be suicide-by-cop. Now whether this was his personal destiny or anything else is beyond all of us and will never be known, however I will not stand idly by and listen to someone ridicule the police for a situation that they did not create. You obviously have an axe to grind with the police, but please leave this site out of it. I'm just wondering what LE has done or maybe they haven't done to make you act out like this, was it because you didn't make the cut.....I'm sure we're all wondering now especially with the way you think.

You must know that LE and the media visit and view this site daily and your postings and replies is sure to leave a bad taste in their mouth. LE is a very tight knit community and you will not go unnoticed by the largest gang in the world - the guys in blue. As far as your comment about firearms recognition, since your the arm chair jury look at the following picture and tell me in less than a second - REAL or FAKE (hurry... Hurry Up !!!! HURRY !! The lives of others depend on your decision !!!)



Just to see how good you are I'll let you know later. I guarantee that any of us here on this site would have had to make the unfortunate decision to take the life of the individual that pointed this at us. I for one will go home to my children tonight and thank GOD for the days blessings and remember that I am not perfect however........

I would rather stand in judgement before 12 of my peers than to be carried by 6 of my friends or family.

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I have deleted some of this jokers posts,these posts did not belong here .I have chosen to leave his other post alone since it is his opinion and i believe his opinion is his right no matter how ignorant or stupid they are

this site is about dispensing info and answering questions about bail enforcement-not about illegal wannabee as-holes knocking leo or bea

his whole idea of bounty hunting is illegal in most states and almost all countries