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 Post subject: Re: How often are weapons involved?
 Post Posted: Tue 17 Jan 2012 15:41 
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Has anyone here seen the television series "Americas Hardest Bounty Hunters"? These BEA's literally get into a standoff in what seems like every other bust. They do have the SWAT/Raid mentality though, which is definitely not something that appeals to me. Also, I'd just like to say that I am aware a reality show is not the best source for fugitive recovery info, but I just thought it would be a good example for those of you that have seen it

Remember that only the 1% of action in the job makes for good TV. If they tried to use all the hours of sitting watching, wrong houses ect... it would make a very boring show.


Very true. However, I have seen them go from one job to the next, same clothes and all, and get a gun pulled on them both times.

In all honesty, I think it is their own fault. They roll up in 3 cars, brights on through the windows, screaming about going to prison. I mean, what do you expect?


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Thank you for the replies everyone. Has anyone here seen the television series ....



Sorry, I kind of stopped reading right there.

Ever hear the saying, "Live by the gun, die by the gun?" I do carry, but it is my intent never to use. In my opinion, if a weapon is drawn, somebody screwed up.

I've been doing loss prevention, as my main source of income, for about four years. Both companies I've worked for, are hands on, meaning we can use more than words to get people back in the door.

The first company I worked for, we always worked in teams of at least two people. We had to go hands on quite a bit, usually because whoever I was working with escalated the situation when it didn't need to be.

The company I work for now, I work alone. You would think that with less back up people would be more likely to fight and try to get away since they have better odds. I've gone hands on once. I always go out with my hand-cuffs in my pocket, but I've never had to use them.

In LP, in BE, and in other aspects of life, It's all about the approach.


I understand why you quit reading, but like I said, I know the show is not an accurate portrayal of the job. I was more or less looking for people to tell me "No, that in no way is how things are generally done".

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I understand why you quit reading, but like I said, I know the show is not an accurate portrayal of the job. I was more or less looking for people to tell me "No, that in no way is how things are generally done".


I think that has been the main theme of this entire thread... and the simple reason that you "see" nothing but physical altercations and gun play in all those "real life" BEA series is because that is what sells... actual, real life scenarios wouldn't sell a minutes time on TV... I mean, after all... who wants to see a fat balding old man with a grey beard, shoot someone with a water pistol or run away down the street in my sandals, Disney-world plaid shirt, Bermuda shorts carrying a walmart bag.... screaming like a little girl... nahhh.... you'd turn the TV off. :shock:

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... I mean, after all... who wants to see a fat balding old man with a grey beard, shoot someone with a water pistol or run away down the street in my sandals, Disney-world plaid shirt, Bermuda shorts carrying a walmart bag.... screaming like a little girl... nahhh.... you'd turn the TV off. :shock:


Actually, that sounds pretty entertaining.

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Bill,

Compared to some of the crap that is on tv now, I would probably watch the guy in sandals, Hawaiian shirt screaming like a girl.


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I am confused now. I thought Bill was the one in the Hawaiian t-shirt and sandals? Seriously though, follow advice of the wiser posters (never call them elder) and use your head. While I carry, I have never had to raise my voice yet alone go all rambo like the nut jobs on t.v.. Scott is right, some of these guys know the law better then some attorney's and would be thrilled to take someone to civil & criminal court - would give them something to do while behind bars.

That doesn't mean things have been perfect, but to be honest, I have had more issues with transporting then placing into custody. Best advice I got on here was from Mom - her info on transporting should be in every BEA course.

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No thanks Speezack!! You forgot to mention how exhausting that is. lol My own personal favorite "sphincter tightening memory involved pulling a 9000 lb load of empty postal carts acroos Wyoming during a nasty winter storm. All the while passing overturned big-trucks.

I prefer 45 seconds of adrenalin followed by a nap :lol:

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I have been a use of force instructor for over 7 years now and all I can say that as far as all the high speed weapons go, while it is fun to go to the range how often do you really use your weapon? Now on the other hand on every recovery how often to you use your cuffs ? Starting to see where this is going?


Take down and control and restraint leading to cuffing is one of the most over looked things in this business and LEO as well.

The question will become the integrity of the training, instructor credentials as well as your own instructor. If your Team is not trained properly, judgment could be lodged against you or cost you your freedom.

Be safe out there, and if I can ever offer any help please feel free to ask.

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I have been a use of force instructor for over 7 years now and all I can say that as far as all the high speed weapons go, while it is fun to go to the range how often do you really use your weapon? Now on the other hand on every recovery how often to you use your cuffs ? Starting to see where this is going?


Take down and control and restraint leading to cuffing is one of the most over looked things in this business and LEO as well.

The question will become the integrity of the training, instructor credentials as well as your own instructor. If your Team is not trained properly, judgment could be lodged against you or cost you your freedom.

Be safe out there, and if I can ever offer any help please feel free to ask.



Well stated sir....

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