Dealing with landlords and people in neighboring apartments.

Just a quick question.

Let's say that you and an assistant are walking to the door with your clients registered address and the landlord refuses to let you knock and demands the police be present; and while waiting for the police two drunken neighbors start threatening you and creating a scene. Do you leave or wait for the police?

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Ron Hartley
(Retired)

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To avoid confusion and misunderstanding:
I am fairly new in the bail bonds part of the legal system. I've been in the legal profession 25 years - Paralegal and Legal investigator.

I am not a BEA - just a Bondsman trying to improve and become a better bondsman.
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It depends on the situation..

I usually call the Police ahead of time to notify them .. 8 outta 10 times the Police come to the scene 1 block away to meet with us ..we brief them on the fugitive and charges.. and they usually roll in behind us... and we go about our business, if the defendant is in the location address on the Bond Application.. and refuses to open the door or come out...then we take the door down.. or break a window to gain access..or whatever the situation at the location calls for..

The landlord in this case would be told of the situation.. and informed to step back and not interfere.. as for the 2 drunk neighbors and a landlord.. and if its only you and one other agent and the police are on the way .. wait for the police.. then have the police deal with the 2 drunk idiots and landlord then if your guy is inside and refuses to come out then take the door.. and go get your defendant..

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JEFF P.
Limited Surety Agent (FL) - License # P_2O8124_
Private Investigator (FL) - License # C_27OOO33_
NABBI Member



"Surprise Sex is the Best Thing to Wake up to, UNLESS, You are in Jail... "

There is no bail pick up that is worth your personal safety, drunken people are unpredictable and therefore a safety risk. If the landlord says that you must leave the property, then you leave and wait for police outside. Staying after being told to leave makes you a trespasser and subject to criminal charges. Let’s not forget you get more done with a low impact approach.

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Domestic Security Investigations
P.O. Box 4462
Rockville, MD 20849
Tel: 1-800-387-0787
Anti-Moral Majority Club President
"Fear not the unknown, Fear the person who controls the unknown" Gene 7:14

Now that, is good advice and the bottom line..... thanks Gene...

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Bill Marx, Sr.
"FREE STATE BAIL BONDS"
"FREE STATE INVESTIGATIONS"
DCJS: 99-176979
Cell: 434-294-0222

"Endeavor to Persevere" "Lone Watie"

"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that , comes from bad judgment" "Will Rogers"

Also, keep in mind that, unless your subject owns the apartment building, it is a 'third party residence'. Many states have laws that prevent you from forcing your way into a third party residence. Always know the laws of the area you are working!

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Randall Crew
Randall Crew & Associates
641-289-0136

Good advise right there. I personally think some one should put that up as a sticky some where. maybe a good advise posting or something. /end babbling..

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Jonathan Hack
Bolt Security, Scotsdale AZ
Unarmed Guard
Future Recovery agent.

"We are a nation of laws, not of men." - John Adams

Life is full of lessons and one I know understand. While curiosity and the thirst of knowledge is a great thing; It can become a social burden at times. Not everyone can understand "why".. I try my best to stay patient with those who don't understand and will reject me.

In Florida Not Even the Security that Patrol the Private Property of Complex's can tell us to leave nor can the Police.

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JEFF P.
Limited Surety Agent (FL) - License # P_2O8124_
Private Investigator (FL) - License # C_27OOO33_
NABBI Member



"Surprise Sex is the Best Thing to Wake up to, UNLESS, You are in Jail... "

I want to address this from a different perspective...What was it about your presentation that caused the landlord to address you at all? Because of the transient nature of our clientele, and to practice what I preach "Low Impact" fugitive recovery, I approach the land lord first to verify that our subject still lives there. The approach is generally "To coordinate and respect your residents..." I have been refused a few times, but am often introduced to onsite security, which is often off duty LE, and we quietly accomplish our task. Further, maintenance guys and regular security people will fall over backwards to give you information.

Best of luck!

Scott

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R.E. "Scott" MacLean III

"Leaders are like Eagles, you never see them in a flock, but one at a time"

Chesapeake Group Investigations, Inc.
Chesapeake Bail Bonds
877-574-0500
301-392-1100 (fax)
301-392-1900 (Office)

Being a security officer myself as a day job. I would give up that info in a heart beat. That is of course you acted professional and so forth. Basically what it boils down to is, one less screw ball I have to do with on my shift XD

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Jonathan Hack
Bolt Security, Scotsdale AZ
Unarmed Guard
Future Recovery agent.

"We are a nation of laws, not of men." - John Adams

Life is full of lessons and one I know understand. While curiosity and the thirst of knowledge is a great thing; It can become a social burden at times. Not everyone can understand "why".. I try my best to stay patient with those who don't understand and will reject me.

Low Impact?

It doesn't get lower. A lot of times I show up using a cane with my pepper spray and cuffs in my fanny pack. (Years ago doing undercover security I learned that a wooden cane makes a great defensive weapon and people usually write you off as a threat). When the police show up and someone is threatening a guy with a cane, they are automatically on the cane guy's side.

However on this day I didn't have the cane - just the fanny pack and a terrible limp.

The landlord was in a foul mood and took it out on us. The others were simply drunks itching for a fight - this is number of multi family dwellings 1/2 a block from two seedy bars.

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Ron Hartley
(Retired)

_________________________________________________________
To avoid confusion and misunderstanding:
I am fairly new in the bail bonds part of the legal system. I've been in the legal profession 25 years - Paralegal and Legal investigator.

I am not a BEA - just a Bondsman trying to improve and become a better bondsman.
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