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TwinPortsWatch
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Post subject: Lets talk money ? Posted: Fri 26 Mar 2010 12:17 |
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Joined: Sat 20 Mar 2010 20:41 Posts: 17 Location: Minnesota
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In the past few days I have been studying up on "Bondsman." I have determined that the "average" percentage that a Bondsman takes for his/her up front cost is 10%. I also heard some Bondsman offered an 8% up front cost on the higher dollar amount bails. This led me to research what bail amounts were linked to what charges. I thouroughly researched the State of MN website for MN Courts and I was not able to find a "bail schedule". I also searched in the area counties around me and was not able to find a bail schedule there either. So here are my questions: 1. Am I correct about the the average 10% fees and occasional 8% fees? Also, are their times or situations when a bondsman would charge a higer percentage?
2. I understand that every county and state have different statutes and that bail can be set by a judge to what he thinks the totallity of the circumstances deems appropriate. However I am eager to know what are the common charges/bail amounts in the states or counties from everyone here on this forum? or if anyone knows of a Bail schedule for MN or United States.
Thanks for your time and Responses,
_________________ Nate Crotteau Twin Ports Watch Licensed By The MN Dept. of Commerce Resident Insurance Producer: Bail Bonds License #: 40199019
**I am licensed to work in the field of Bail Bond recovery. However, I do not work in the field nor have I ever. I added my license in my signature only to show others the achievement I have made in getting one step closer to establishing a business. **
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Mdbtyhtr
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Post subject: Re: Lets talk money ? Posted: Fri 26 Mar 2010 12:26 |
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Joined: Thu 06 Jul 2006 14:22 Posts: 3982 Location: Maryland and Virginia
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Nate, What you are allowed to charge is established by your state insurance commission, and the standard is 10%. Some state differentiate between felonies and misdemeanors, but your state insurance commission is the source for your answer. Bondsman will advertise what they have to to get the phone to ring, and it is often full of caveats like OAC (on approved credit) or low money down and payment arrangements. In MD, you cannot charge interest unless you are a licensed lending institution. This does not stop bondsmen from charging interest on the money that they choose to finance, but it is illegal.
Scott
_________________ R.E. "Scott" MacLean III
"Leaders are like Eagles, you never see them in a flock, but one at a time"
Chesapeake Group Investigations, Inc. Chesapeake Bail Bonds 877-574-0500 301-392-1100 (fax) 301-392-1900 (Office)
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TwinPortsWatch
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Post subject: Re: Lets talk money ? Posted: Fri 26 Mar 2010 13:22 |
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Joined: Sat 20 Mar 2010 20:41 Posts: 17 Location: Minnesota
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Thanks Scott,
I'm sure this info will prove helpful. While reading your reply I had another concern or just a flat out observation. In my expierence with The MN Dept Of Corrections and with the training I recieved going through the Law Enforcement Academy I had Statutes galore crammed down my throat. When I was looking at Minnesota Law on bail bonds and apprehension it as very vague as far as use of force goes. Any thoughts on this?
_________________ Nate Crotteau Twin Ports Watch Licensed By The MN Dept. of Commerce Resident Insurance Producer: Bail Bonds License #: 40199019
**I am licensed to work in the field of Bail Bond recovery. However, I do not work in the field nor have I ever. I added my license in my signature only to show others the achievement I have made in getting one step closer to establishing a business. **
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Mdbtyhtr
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Post subject: Re: Lets talk money ? Posted: Fri 26 Mar 2010 14:44 |
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Joined: Thu 06 Jul 2006 14:22 Posts: 3982 Location: Maryland and Virginia
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yes, avoid it!
Scott
_________________ R.E. "Scott" MacLean III
"Leaders are like Eagles, you never see them in a flock, but one at a time"
Chesapeake Group Investigations, Inc. Chesapeake Bail Bonds 877-574-0500 301-392-1100 (fax) 301-392-1900 (Office)
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Jeffreyastewart
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Post subject: Re: Lets talk money ? Posted: Fri 26 Mar 2010 17:01 |
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Joined: Sun 21 Mar 2010 08:40 Posts: 37 Location: Essex Vermont
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20% Here in Vermont, But i work for 8% on recovery, unless it's a small bond.
_________________ Jeffrey A Stewart Bail Enforcement Agent Bail Agent#708126-Vermont Advantage Bail Bonds of Vermont
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AWOBB
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Post subject: Re: Lets talk money ? Posted: Fri 26 Mar 2010 19:02 |
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Joined: Tue 22 Feb 2005 19:28 Posts: 1807 Location: Ohio & Nationwide
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10% in Ohio, no more and no less than 10%. But we have bondsmen that break the rules here and only charge 8% or charge 5% down with payments. It's a cut throat business in this state and other states.
It just pisses me off that bondsmen like me and my six agents here follow the rules that Department of Insurance made into law and we take the beating at times. While other bondmen break the rules an get away with it and put a bad name on the good ones.
I see in the near future pre-trial service will be in full force in this state.
_________________ Steve Faircloth A Way Out Bail Bonds (220) 204-9733 Cell NSIN# SF0105 LIC. #704058
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Jayc4929
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Post subject: Re: Lets talk money ? Posted: Sat 27 Mar 2010 02:19 |
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Joined: Fri 29 Jan 2010 03:00 Posts: 416 Location: Tennessee,usa
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5 percent down? steve i think youre lucky!! we have more than a few here in Tn. now offering NO money down AND half off the bond.Got to love the cut throats!!
_________________ Jay Crawford Eagle Eye Fugitive Recovery "based out of Bethpage Tn." Cell:(931)551-5020
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speezack
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Post subject: Re: Lets talk money ? Posted: Sat 27 Mar 2010 07:31 |
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Joined: Fri 02 Mar 2007 10:51 Posts: 5055 Location: South Central Virginia
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AWOBB wrote: 10% in Ohio, no more and no less than 10%. But we have bondsmen that break the rules here and only charge 8% or charge 5% down with payments. It's a cut throat business in this state and other states.
It just pisses me off that bondsmen like me and my six agents here follow the rules that Department of Insurance made into law and we take the beating at times. While other bondmen break the rules an get away with it and put a bad name on the good ones.
I see in the near future pre-trial service will be in full force in this state. Steve, you say it all here my man.... we face the same in Virginia... keep doing what is right Steve, that is all any of us can do...
_________________ Bill Marx, Sr. "FREE STATE BAIL BONDS" "FREE STATE INVESTIGATIONS" DCJS: 99-176979 Cell: 434-294-0222
"Endeavor to Persevere" "Lone Watie"
"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that , comes from bad judgment" "Will Rogers"
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speezack
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Post subject: Re: Lets talk money ? Posted: Sat 27 Mar 2010 07:39 |
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Jayc4929 wrote: 5 percent down? steve i think youre lucky!! we have more than a few here in Tn. now offering NO money down AND half off the bond.Got to love the cut throats!! Now this should really get your attention.......... I have it on good authority the following two items... 1. Northern VA has at least one company... un-named... that is getting people out with NO MONEY AND NO COSIGNERS... taking them to their families and asking for whatever premium is due... if the money is not forthcoming they lock the defendant back up......... go figure??? 2. The beach area of VA (I will not name the jurisdiction) has a jurisdiction that allows bondsmen to sit in a waiting area writing bonds as they come through booking!!!! and also they are writing the bonds for $50 period....... yes.... $50 unless the bond is larger than say $10k.... so how can you compete with that......... I know this is a fact because I walked into that jurisdiction to write a bond and faced down at least 5 or 6 bondsmen that did not have any business being there... they were sitting around laughing and ask me what I was doing... when I told them I was there to write a bond they laughed and said I might as well go home because I would normally be wasting my time............. they said......"we own this jail"... I said nothing, wrote the bond and left. According to DCJS law, it is unlawful to solicit in or around a jail or courtroom... so how do these bondsman get away with this??????????????????????????? I have called DCJS and nothing is ever done... it is a joke.
_________________ Bill Marx, Sr. "FREE STATE BAIL BONDS" "FREE STATE INVESTIGATIONS" DCJS: 99-176979 Cell: 434-294-0222
"Endeavor to Persevere" "Lone Watie"
"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that , comes from bad judgment" "Will Rogers"
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Post subject: Re: Lets talk money ? Posted: Sun 28 Mar 2010 14:57 |
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Joined: Thu 09 Mar 2006 14:51 Posts: 3344
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Bill,
Maybe once these bail agents have to start paying off some of those forfeitures on bonds they wrote for $50, then they will either stop the practice of writing these bonds or go out of business.
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