Question about recent events…

Ruffin

That doesn't mean that he wasn't in the house, it just means that they didn't find him!

Scott

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True. Cuz cops don't check piles of laundry or deep closets.
Me, I even check the dryer. I be persistant . . .

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Very true LuVonda..... On our last case we had, we went to the def. apt and his girlfriend came to the door but wouldn't open up and let us in (meanwhile hearing lots of noise coming from within). After talking to her through the door for about 10 mins, she finally opened the door a little. We stuck our foot in to keep the door open and explained why we were there and who we were looking for. She kept insisting our guy wasn't there (which we already confirmed he was by neighbors). She allowed us to search the small 1 bedroom apt and we spotted a big pile of dirty laundry in the corner. We asked the girlfriend to step on the pile of laundry. She steps only on the very outer corner and says "See he's not here." We lift up a handful of clothes and there he is. Case closed.
We've also found a lady in a locked car trunk in a garage. They can hide anywhere..

I am not sure of how your state weapons law reads, nor am I challenging your personal protection actions. However based on the law in most states, it appears that you leave yourself open to a brandishing a weapon complaint or some type of assault charge. From some asshat that was wrong for coming upon you as stated.

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Gene, That is very reason that I really don't care for the fact that I have a CHCL (Concealed Handgun Carry License), should it "accidently" be seen I can be charged . . . The Open Carry matter is being reviewed here and I hope that it goes thru.

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That is one good thing about Minnesota. It is an open carry state. You can carry concealed or openly. As for brandishing, it applies when you point your weapon at someone when there is no apparent threat to you, or you verbally threaten to do bodily harm to someone with your weapon and use the weapon to imply it. Putting your hand on your weapon or having your weapon out when searching or apprehending is legal. You believe that you might be subject to death or great bodily harm. That doesn't mean we have our guns out for everything. We do complete background checks on every subject we get a file on. If they have a record of violence, or they have a history with drugs, we go in expecting the worst. Luckily, nothing bad has ever happened to us or them.

Last night ... a cabinet that looked to have four drawers and a lock on it. However, the front had recessed hinges along the front side edge.

Now I ask you ... why do drawers need hinges?

So we rocked it over, to look behind it for possible hidden doors of course ... and boy what a scream happened as it went past 45 degrees.

It was manufactured to look like a four drawer business cabinet, but was in fact an empty space for storing large objects ... like defendants.

It's the small details that sometimes break the case.

Jeff, I was shown that trick while working with a prior 18 year vet of LE. While searching an apt. I walked past a dresser to look behind a couch (everyone laughed and asked if I knew the size of the guy I was looking for; 6'4", 305...ahhh,well). The "partner" stopped me to ask if I wanted to check the dresser. Originally I thought this was "code" for looking for drugs or money (and I don't do that). He then pulled the dresser out. All the drawers had been removed, and the face plates, either, glued or nailed back. It left a very light, open, yet concealed hiding spot. I was then told that 18 years taught "partner" to look for scratch matks on tile and depressions in the carpet that don't line up with the legs. This is very popular with criminal types (drug dealers, mainly) and they typically put the "dresser" in a childs or spare room. I have now seen it 3 times.

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Gene,

My state is a partially open carry state. The ruling is from 1984 by then Attorney General Charles Graddick. Basically it states, paraphrased, that as long as an idividual is on foot, open carry is legal; however whenever the individual enters a vehicle it then becomes "concealed".

I carry this ruling with me, along with several copies, with the state's seal on it..it prints out this way, and hand it to every cop I encounter that questions me about my ccw. I have educated veteran and rookie cops alike, from all aspects of law enforcement, s.o. deputies, city pd, state troopers, etc. Sometimes they will even ask me if they can keep the copy they are reading for their own training and review. I always let them have it.

As for brandishing, as long as it is not in my hand, being aimed at anyone or illegally and recklessly being waved around, I'm not violating any state laws.

If you or anyone else would like a copy of this ruling, just let me know and I'll e-mail it to you.

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Luvonda, I didnt realize how screwed up Arkansas gun laws are. I just did some reading. Its in need of some severe overhauling.

Missouri is much like Ruffin descibed. Save a few cities, open carry is legal. To be brandishing, you must have it in your hand in a threatening manner. Im in a habit of kinda half open half concealed at times. If Im just going to town, say to Wal Mart or something, and dont have my holster on, (since I refuse to go anywhere without a gun) I alot of times just shove a gun in my back pocket and go. Its kinda concealed, but it is printed with the grip sticking out. Its legal and no one has ever said a word.

In a package legislation this year, and its got a good chance of passing, a prememption law, preventing any city from banning open carry. It also lowers the CCW age from 23 to 21. Makes campus carry legal. Extends the castle doctrine from just your house and car to any property you own or lease. Its a great law. I just hope it sails on through.