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 Post subject: Re: Is this allowed?
 Post Posted: Sun 15 Jun 2008 01:50 
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I was responding to Mark's sarcasm, but I think we all agree that anyone that could be associated with our biz that could be doing anything to further give us a bad name should be checked out. Florida law allows only the bondsman that wrote the bond to apprehend his/her skip. They do not allow independent BEA's, but allow a person to be an employee of a single bondsman to do bail enforcement. If you have a question about a person or their authority, by all means, report them and have them checked out. Plain and simple, we don't need any more bad publicity, so if there are any questions, have the person run through LE. Most of us have the same done to us on a regular basis and most of us are legal. Those that are not give us a bad name and deserve what they get in court.

I don't know of any state that allows a citizen to have LE type decals on their personal vehicles, or to use red and blue lights on their personal vehicles. Most states specifically prohibit the use of those lights for anyone other than LE. Bail bondsmen and BEA's are NOT LEO's. IF a person is breaking the law in your area, then by all means report them.

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 Post subject: Re: Is this allowed?
 Post Posted: Sun 15 Jun 2008 06:07 
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I know that Idaho and Texas have different laws for lights.ID. lets you use the lights if you are some sort of "volunteer" Fire,medical,LE ETC. TX has blue lights on most construction equipment.I have never seen more blue flashing lights in my life.Seems like everyone here is in the " construction " business.
As far as the BEA goes.....sounds like a good way to go to jail pretty fast!

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 Post Posted: Sun 15 Jun 2008 08:01 
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BigDave wrote:
Your right RWB.
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Maybe a call to LE is justified here....after all if the BEA is legitimate he/she will understand the concern.

IF the vehicle is THAT DECKED OUT then LE has already seen it . . .

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Ok people...no need to be insulting here, even in a joking manner....remember we aren't supposed to be smart asses to newbies anymore ?...:)


BOTTOM LINE : If I am living in a neighborhood and I see something that I don't think is RIGHT I am going to get with my LOCAL AUTHORITY and find out what the gig is . . . I am not going to querry a panel of people from across the Nation to see what may or may not be right in my area.
I personally think that it is someone just stirring a pot . . .
It is NOT our place to stir that pot . . .

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 Post subject: Re: Is this allowed?
 Post Posted: Sun 15 Jun 2008 08:03 
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There is no "thumbs up" so I will agree...

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LuVonda wrote:
BigDave wrote:
Your right RWB.
:oops:
Maybe a call to LE is justified here....after all if the BEA is legitimate he/she will understand the concern.

IF the vehicle is THAT DECKED OUT then LE has already seen it . . .

RWB wrote:
Ok people...no need to be insulting here, even in a joking manner....remember we aren't supposed to be smart asses to newbies anymore ?...:)


BOTTOM LINE : If I am living in a neighborhood and I see something that I don't think is RIGHT I am going to get with my LOCAL AUTHORITY and find out what the gig is . . . I am not going to querry a panel of people from across the Nation to see what may or may not be right in my area.
I personally think that it is someone just stirring a pot . . .
It is NOT our place to stir that pot . . .


I agree with LuVonda 100% on this one

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 Post Posted: Mon 16 Jun 2008 08:52 
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So following that logic...if I see a woman being raped, a house being broken into, a child being abducted, an eldery person being robbed, or any other crime being committed I am supposed to mind my own business and "not stir the pot ?"

I'm sorry I don't agree with the "Ostrich Syndrome" (sticking one's head in the sand in times of trouble, hoping it will go away.)

Also, obviously LE may have seen the decals from a distance, but may not be aware of the illegal interior lights...

Just my opinion.

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 Post subject: Re: Is this allowed?
 Post Posted: Mon 16 Jun 2008 13:42 
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BOTTOM LINE : If I am living in a neighborhood and I see something that I don't think is RIGHT I am going to get with my LOCAL AUTHORITY and find out what the gig is . . . I am not going to querry a panel of people from across the Nation to see what may or may not be right in my area. I personally think that it is someone just stirring a pot . . . It is not OUR place to stir that pot . . .LuVonda


and following that logic . . . I am thinking that you would not need to ask a panel of individuals from aross the Nation to tell you what to do :wink:

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RWB wrote:
So following that logic...if I see a woman being raped, a house being broken into, a child being abducted, an eldery person being robbed, or any other crime being committed I am supposed to mind my own business and "not stir the pot ?"
Just my opinion.RWB



Rape, Abduction, Robbery are Crimes against persons ~ ANYBODY that would turn their eye and allow the above crimes to be perpetuated needs to stop dead in their tracks and have a "Humanity Check" . . .

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 Post subject: Re: Is this allowed?
 Post Posted: Mon 16 Jun 2008 15:34 
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well a crime is a crime...period..and again, we don't know for what purpose's this vehicle is being used for. Just recently someone psoted an article about a leo checking on an ex-cop car he thought was legit, and it led to the discovery of 2 women who were victims of rape and torture by a notorius street gang.

I see no harm in the person investigating, researching, and asking for advice. I also think the person should call Le to the address and have the vehicle checked out. It's a 50-50 shot. Maybe it's legit, then again maybe it isn't....

A famous quote from several movies "assumption is the mother of all screw ups". What harm can come from an alert nieghbor reporting something they don't understand or is suspicious ?

Communities are funny...I've sat in my car surveilling a location, for hours on end, with no one giving me the time of day...by the same token, I've also just initiated surveillance when I'm getting confronted by nervous nieghbors who called the cops on me within 30 minutes of setting up.

Some areas are just more observant than others or perhaps maybe more willing to "stir the pot" than others.

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 Post subject: Re: Is this allowed?
 Post Posted: Mon 16 Jun 2008 17:00 
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Several people have advised this guy what to do, so now its up to him to do what he thinks is right. This is like beating a dead horse, none us no the real true facts, none of us are attorneys and how many of us have been LEO's to really know how LE works. Not just looking at it from the outside and assuming we know how it works. For all we know this guy could be blowing wind up our collective "assets". I agree with LuVonda's comment about crimes against persons, if you fail to take an action such as (calling the police) to report it, something is very wrong with you. Lastly even LEO's on or off duty are not mandated to run blindly into criminal action at put the public or themself in danger.

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