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 Post Posted: Thu 21 Sep 2006 06:04 
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I'm not trying to provoke an arguement because we both weren't there. But wether or not FBI was already planning on nabbing him hours later they will still say that. That's just like when someone says... "I was just about to say that". But since were not FBI we will never know the truth on wether or not they were already going to pick him up hours later.

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I also noticed it said the couple notified Chapman and THEN notified the FBI later. So (according to the cited article) Chapman had the lead and was going for it, it was the FBI that was playing catchup. Maybe the FBI would have shown, maybe not. Maybe Luster would have still been there, maybe not. Believe me, the FBI is not as impressive as it's reputation. Some NOPD would refuse to have anything to with it or anyone associated with it. Like all agencies, it depends on it's people. Some are extremely good, some ok, and some are extreme idiots that are still there cuz it's hard to fire someone in federal service. (And at least two were even traitors, in jail for selling secrets to a foreign govt.)

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Now why exactly did he got down to Mexico with a camera crew? Even Chapman can not keep his stories straight. Here is another interview he did. Mind you these are HIS words not mine.

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"When he took off, every bounty hunter in the country was looking for him, and the title then was on the line. When the title was on the line, it was very important that I capture him. We captured him." Of course, that capture was in Mexico and not the United States.


Here is the LInk to the story.

http://vegasblog.latimes.com/vegas/2006/09/dog_proud_of_hi.html


How is that not keeping his story straight? Yeah, he thinks the guy was a scumbag, he did it for the victims, *and* the publicity, and, oh yeah, the money too. None of these are mutually exclusive.

Most police are paid, fireman too. Doesn't mean a policeman is a hypocrite for saying he "serves the community" and is then outed as a paid employee....

As long as Chapman is willing to pay the price, (facing charges in the venue he commited the allegations) I've got no problems with his motivations. Now is his chance to stand behind those opinions/motivations by standing in front of those Mexican authorities.

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NO APPEAL CONSIDERED

Assistant U.S. Attorney Ronald Johnson earlier indicated he might appeal the release order by U.S. Magistrate Judge Barry Kurren. But he said yesterday Kurren issued a "well-reasoned" written decision. Johnson said they were "looking at our options at this point."

Johnson could not be reached later for comment on Hart's remarks. Duane Chapman also could not be reached for comment.

Hart said they are "pursuing legal aspects with Mexican authorities and trying to see, what does Mexico want, to address this matter."

At the same time, they will also ask the federal government to reconsider honoring the Mexican government's request for the return of the three men because "we have strong arguments that extradition is probably wrong here."

He said what the Chapmans did in catching Luster would be "legal" if it had been done in the United States.

'FLAWED LEGAL ADVICE'

According to Hart, a Mexican police officer was with the Chapmans when they were taking Luster to the police station when the Chapmans and Luster were arrested by Mexican police. Duane Chapman posted bail of about $1,300 for his release.

But based on "flawed legal advice," Duane Chapman thought he could leave the country, forfeiting the bail, and there would be no further interest in him by the Mexican authorities, Hart said.

"What he's prepared to do is take responsibility for not having to stay around to face the charges," Hart said.

After his arrest in Mexico, Luster was brought back to the United States, where he is serving a 124-year prison term.

The Mexican government is seeking to have the three Chapmans returned to the country to face charges that lawyers say carry prison terms of six months to four years.

The extradition hearings could spill into next year.

The U.S. Attorney's Office here has until Oct. 16 to file papers in support of the extradition. The Chapmans have until Nov. 13 to file responses. A hearing is scheduled before Kurren on Nov. 16 to set the hearings on the extradition request.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/ ... 20383/1001


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It is very simple... He Broke The Law! Now he has to answer for it which ever way it turns out. No one is disputing the facts that a scumbag is off the streets and we are better off for it. He like the rest of us should know what we can and can not do in each AO we choose to pursue and that includes another country.

Simple Motto: Do the crime expect to do the time! He did the crime now pay the piper regardless of who or what he did to better our streets. He may just end up paying a fine no one knows yet.


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"He [Hart] said what the Chapmans did in catching Luster would be "legal" if it had been done in the United States. "

Say WHAT???

So according to this Hart person, anyone who happens to see a person with a warrant, regardless of who they are or where they are, and without any legal authorization can now kidnap the person and take them across state or country borders in the name of justice? :roll:

Didn't the judge in CA tell Chapman in court that what he did was not authorized or legal in any manner, and so he would receive none of the reward money he asked for? Didn't he strongly imply that if Chapman had succeeded in bringing Luster illegally back to CA that he would have been arrested there? So much for not being illegal here...

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kebcpa wrote:
"He [Hart] said what the Chapmans did in catching Luster would be "legal" if it had been done in the United States. "

Say WHAT???


You can say that again. An unathorized non-citizen detaining another person (citizen or not) within US territory would be legal in the United States, how exactly??

Although I sometimes wonder if the US should take this theory, since El Salvador and other countries refuse to extradite their citizens, maybe we should refuse to extradite ours....

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simply put if du-du had picked up luster in cal it would have been illegal also- du-du does not have the required training and also a convicted felon can not operate in cal--also there was no surety contract so hense no arrest authority--again we can go over and over this issue but brought down to the simplist--he broke the law we have other beas doing time in mexico they did not have a&e footing a multi million dollar bill and they are in jail an aplogy and fine plus a bribe is a slap in justices face--as i said before money talks justice walks


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HGUNNER wrote:
simply put if du-du had picked up luster in cal it would have been illegal also- du-du does not have the required training and also a convicted felon can not operate in cal--also there was no surety contract so hense no arrest authority


Agreed. 100%. Apparently his legal theory is that bounty hunting is legal in the US, you can't be extradited for actions that if commited in the US are legal, therefore he shouldn't be extradited. (We extradite people wanted for murder, but not for "possession of aspirin" or escaped political prisoner, etc.) My argument is that his actions (which is detaining a person without lawful authority, not just "illegal bounty hunting") would be illegal in the US when done without lawful authority as well. Go to (back) to court and face it like a man. Your example of how he is authorized in his home state but not California is another good example.

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--again we can go over and over this issue but brought down to the simplist--he broke the law we have other beas doing time in mexico they did not have a&e footing a multi million dollar bill and they are in jail an aplogy and fine plus a bribe is a slap in justices face--as i said before money talks justice walks


Justice is a privilege that some victims receive and others do not. Justice is a hazard that some pay for their hobby or occupation, and many do not. I don't like it, it shouldn't be that way, but it is sadly true.

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If Chapman had come here it would have been a Class D Felony so I am not sure where that comment came from about being in the U.S. other than someone that might be a fan of his and does not know the laws of the U.S. themselves.


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