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 Post subject: Re: Sexism, Lawlessness, Tourism, and Despicable Profiteerin
 Post Posted: Wed 16 Jul 2014 18:39 
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Well as for Bail Amounts in Miami Dade Florida. as every county in Florida has their own individual Set Bond Amounts for each specific Crime the person is charged with .. I attached the Miami Dade FL Bond Schedule to this thread for you to see. If the person that is arrested is White / Black / Asian / Hispanic / Indian / Alien / Green / Blue / Purple / or any other race creed or color .. the Bond Amount for that particular charge is the same for any ...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/blfpoaqugm6xy ... 0Order.pdf

This is a link to my dropbox file with EVERY SINGLE BOND AMOUNT .. and it is NOT BASED ON RACE / RELIGION / OR ANYTHING .. but the CRIME !!

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 Post subject: Re: Sexism, Lawlessness, Tourism, and Despicable Profiteerin
 Post Posted: Wed 16 Jul 2014 19:07 
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Yeah, we only deal with pot smokers and the one's with driving charges. Check out Kyle Rodriguez and Scott McCombs. The US Marshall Service took the credit which is fine with me. I do have a couple letters from the MS and the Sheriff's department thanking me for my small role in apprehending these folks.

Man/Woman, you have no clue what we're about, and that's exactly the way I like it!

Wasn't going to get into this one but couldn't resist :)

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 Post subject: Re: Sexism, Lawlessness, Tourism, and Despicable Profiteerin
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oooooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkk.... take a seat and let me see if I can enlighten you a bit... "pilgrim"... I will try to address each statement you make here, line by line...

First of all let me qualify my position as follows... I am not a rookie... I will be 70 this August... I spent time in the Marines in the early 60's... 8 years in the insurance business.... 8 years owning and operating a small town restaurant, motel, bar and gun shop... and almost 30 years behind the wheel of a very large truck from which I retired in 2007 (UPS)... and of late... almost 15 years as a licensed bail bondsman and more recently as a licensed Private Investigator... I did most of these occupations in conjunction with each other... so I have had a lot of 'life's experiences'... and have dealt with a very wide variety of people; good and bad... I have also been riding motorcycles and shooting many types of firearms since around 1961... point being...I think I am a fairly safe and solid individual (my opinion of course)... or I would have been dead a long time ago... oh, I also studied two types of martial arts for a bit over 15 years... and didn't start that till I was almost 50... so I might be doing something half way right.... now... even after saying all this I want to say that I am still learning and do not profess to be an expert on a damn thing.... so... having praised myself let me start on you....

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I don't think bondsmen are necessarily despicable...


Boy, you couldn't prove that by the way you talk........

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I think that an average bail of 39K and more on average for ethnic minorities


I have been writing bail in south central Virginia since early 1999 and I can absolutely tell you that the average bond over all that time is in the 2 to 3,000 range... I can number the bonds over $50,000 on two hands and I can also tell you that the largest bonds I have written were on white, Anglo-Saxon males. I will certainly admit that a majority of bonds are on Black males but then those are the ones that are getting arrested, so naturally they are the ones I bond... please make note... the bondsman is not the one that arrests the law breaker... we are also not the ones who set the amount of bond... I will also state that I treat everyone exactly the same... I could care less what color or nationality or ethnic background you come from... I evaluate a bond based on things other than the superficial non-applicable things you seem to hit on.

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in addition to the "G.I. Joe" adventure mentality that is pushed by some certification schools and bounty hunters is incredibly disgusting and unjust


I will certainly admit that there are in fact schools that operate in exactly that manner... but I do not associate with anyone that comes out of those schools and neither do any of the bondsmen or recovery agents that I know and deal with on a regular basis. As a matter of fact... I happen to be the East Coast Director of a small but very solid association known as "NABBI" The National Association of Bail Bond Investigators" website... http://www.nabbi.org" and as such we try very hard to promote professionalism in our industry and curb the unethical behavior of any bondsmen, recovery agents or schools that operate as you have said. You obviously have limited your research to only those bondsmen and/or recovery agents and/or schools that you have found to fit the criteria in your article... I can assure you there are many in this profession that abhor the actions of these few and if you had taken the time to seek out those of us that do this job the way it was intended... your article would have had a rather different ring.

TV and the media have over the years, brought a circus type atmosphere to this industry.... YouTube, Facebook and all the social media that is available on the internet has turned much of this industry into a carnival... The misguided thoughts of those individuals seeking excitement and notoriety as a so called "Wild West Bounty Hunter"... have driven this industry down hill for years... but believe me... there are many of us that still do it the right way... in an ethical and honest manner.

It is unfortunate that the thrill seekers and those like yourself who simply do not dig deep enough to find the true members of this business continue to write, post, film and in general portray this industry in the "Dog the Bounty Hunter" mentality...

After 15 or so years of writing bail and recovering my own skips I can tell you that I have never once "kicked down a door"... "slammed someone on the ground"... "threatened someone with a firearm"... "never tased or pepper spayed anyone"... or in any manner that I am aware of can remotely remember... harmed anyone in the carrying out of my duties in my profession... I do not "dress like a SWAT team member"... I do not "identify myself a LE"... I "do not normally carry a badge" or try to intimidate anyone... and I can tell you that MOST OF THOSE I AM ACQUAINTED WITH, AND DEAL WITH REGULARLY, STRIVE TO OPERATE IN AN ETHICAL, LEGAL AND HONORABLE MANNER....

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The criminals they're chasing are often non violent drug offenders, with their bongs, who are violently apprehended after getting too stoned to remember their court date. How does that benefit society?


Those that are being chased.... have broken the law... laws that were place on the books by those in power... right or wrong those laws are being enforced and until they get changed they are followed.... your perception is a bit warped.... you obviously are a druggy.... also you obviously dislike LE or the legal apprehension of lawbreaker in general... (violently apprehended)... and your statement.... "too stoned to remember their court dates".... that is really quite funny... obviously something you have experienced first hand....

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Tax payers pay 40K-100K in California to put people in prison- that's more than what the average middle class worker makes annually. How can you justify your occupation?


Justify my occupation.... my question is... how can you justify your occupation???.... 8)

I am licensed by the state... have passed numerous licensing exams... take courses biannually to maintain my license... pay a rather large amount of money to the state to operate legally, ethically and honestly... qualify with (in my case) 3 different conceal carry permits as required by my states Department of Justice.... stand before many judges in many jurisdictions... carry out my functions as a bondsman and private investigator and am scrutinized daily by the courts, the judges, the lawyers... law enforcement and the general public and try and explain away the misconceptions that people like you throw into the public eye seeking your day in the limelight....

Well, that is about all I have to say about your narrative... you might want to do a bit more research before you jump to conclusions.... ever read Shakespeare?... Hamlet... Act1, Scene 5.... "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Then are dreamt of in your philosophy."

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 Post subject: Re: Sexism, Lawlessness, Tourism, and Despicable Profiteerin
 Post Posted: Wed 16 Jul 2014 19:53 
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Where is the raw data showing which counties and what charges for the supposedly doubling of the "average" bail amounts? Talk about anecdotal!

Mexico and undeveloped country! Wow. But ok, then why is Australia, Canada and the U.K., where the private surety bail system in modern times was developed, all experiencing jail and prison over crowding?

Are those countries also, "undeveloped?"

But lets bring it closer to home. Do you know where Cook County is? Well of course you do. Illinois was the first state to ban private surety bail.

Chicago, has the worse jail over crowding in the country. Yet there aren't any bondsmen there to blame for it. Why hasn't the government run, taxpayer FUNDED pretrial release system solved that problem?

Oh, and who is going after all the thousands of ftas every year? No one!

And if that is not enough for you, check out the Philadelphia bail system. Yea right, the private money bail system is broken but government run agencies are working just fine.

Those little FACTS seems to always be left out of the discussion by the PJI and others thinking that taxpayer funded, unaccountable government agencies can do it better and fairer.

Did you ever wonder why a bail of $200 or $300 was set by a judge for a petty crime? Well, in many cases, that is the exact amount of the fine or restitution.

Anecdotal? Nope told to me by a retired California criminal court judge!

If the defendant post bail and ftas, the court will order the bondsman to pay off the bail and thereby the court collects its costs and the fine or restitution.

Again, the bail bondsman is the only person in the system that has to perform 100% of the time or they will have to pay. Even the defendant doesn't suffer any worse if they fta.

No additional fines or jail time is ever given for them skipping court.


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 Post Posted: Wed 16 Jul 2014 20:04 
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Might mention one other thing.... the bail bonding industry is totally self supported... not one dime of taxpayer money goes to support this industry.... EVERY OTHER AGENCY... STATE, FEDERAL OR LOCAL IS TAXPAYER FUNDED... bondsmen, recovery agents, private investigators and all those in this industry pay their way completely.... every regulatory agency that overseas this industry is taxpayer based... and in those areas that have done away with commercial bail... no one goes after the FTA's unless it is law enforcement... and again... you are paying that bill.... and as Tony mentioned, Philadelphia is a prime example of how that state system has failed...

I think also.... if you look at who did those studies... the ones that have been done by totally unbiased sources... and that includes both sides of this issue.... I believe the facts will support commercial bail...

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To further the responses of my esteemed colleagues, if you do not like what happens in the criminal justice system, do not break the law. By abiding by the laws set forth by our elected officials, we can migrate away from the criminal justice system entirely.

When doing your research for validity, consider the source and their respective agenda, everyone has one, and what is often reported as facts, simply are not. Further, most studies are slighted and can be picked apart for validity by the very peers of the authors. Google Scholar might assist you in such an endeavor. There you will find scholarly articles published by respected researchers that are completely shredded by their peers in regards scientific process, methodologies, and interpretation of the data. Often times the exact same research data is utilized to form an entirely opposite conclusion.

As an example, crime, by statistics, has been in decline nationally since 2001. However, during that same time frame the DOJ, who requires and collates the crime data, changed the reporting requirements. Now, instead of each crime committed (allegedly) only the worst crime in the series is reported. In short, if a defendant is accused of 5 burglaries and 1 armed robbery, only the latter is reported. Then our law enforcement officials get to tout that they are reducing crime, because the general public is not aware that this is only a statistical shell game.

To your comments regarding race and the lack of parity in bond amounts, there must be apples to apples facts to compare one situation to another, and this does not often happen. So while attempting to be scholastically honest, the researcher has to pare down the categories because the volume of information becomes too great to discern or surmise actionable data. This results in perceived improprieties when none were present.

My personal experience is that the bonds set by judges in my area of operation, are more related to potential then color. While we have pressed hard legislatively for a bail schedule, which in my opinion removes any issues of parity, thus far we have failed. I work in one of the wealthiest and predominantly black counties in the country. This direct experience indicates that wealth is not a predictor of crime. Judges are harder on a wealthy black defendant that had the opportunity and blew it than they are on an indigent black defendant, that is doing the best he can with the cards he was dealt. Incidentally I have bonded out poor, wealthy, and the middle class of all races, and this includes Doctors and Lawyers! I have also apprehended all of the previously mentioned, accept for a lawyer!

I am very proud of my industry that represents everyone and allows them to return to their families to support them and participate in their own defense. The hard facts are, and this is disparate to what you will read on anti-bail websites; when there is someone that is left in jail unable to make bail, it is because they made that bed. They have screwed over anyone that cared about them and helped them get out before. They also do not contribute to the welfare of their families. Often times they are addicted to controlled dangerous substances and their family does not want them out, they want them to get clean. Unfortunately, people that suffer through addictions do not get clean because the court tells them to, or their loved ones want them to, it is only when they reach under rock bottom, that they decide it is time.

My name is Rupert E. "Scott" MacLean III, and I will not read you my resume, you can Google me.

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