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 Post subject: Ammunition Accountability Act
 Post Posted: Mon 23 Mar 2009 09:26 
 
This is a topic I found on the yahoo bailrecovery group, the following is the original posters message and at the bottom is a link to the website for the Ammunition Accountability group.


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Did you know anything about this?

I have been an investigator, for over 24 years!
I fully support and assist law enforcement in its efforts to "Fight Crime & Solve Cases".
When I read about this effort, I found myself torn between those I support and my concerns about the integrity of the instrument.

By instrument, I mean the method that would be in place, to ensure that when I buy a box of rounds (ammunition) that it has not been tampered with by an "unverified" employee of the gun store, or a gang associate who is an employee of the ammunition manufacturer, etc.

While a simple solution would be to put a special seal or sticker on the box, those efforts would hardly make me feel secure.

And what about the "human factor" in the number labeling, or even random rounds being taken from their proper box.

How about this scenerio... You go to the range, and fire off several hundred rounds.

Are you supposed to recover all of those rounds, to ensure that your numbered projectile is not dropped at a crime scene!!!!!!!

Most gun ranges, DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO RECOVER YOUR BRASS (SPEND CASINGS)... Certainly, not your projectiles (bullets)!

The gun control liberals got a setback when the Supreme Court upheld the 2nd amendment rights in Wash. DC.

Now they are trying to come thru the back door.
Please forward this to all you know that want to keep their guns and not be tracked for simply owning one!!!!

Maybe we can have a positive impact on the outcome.

Remember how Obama said that he wasn't going to take your guns?
Well, it seems that his minions and allies in the anti-gun world have no problem with taking your ammo!
The bill that is being pushed in 18 states requires all ammunition to be encoded by the manufacture and added to a database of all ammunition sales.
So they will know how much you buy and what calibers.
Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009 , unless the ammunition is encoded.
Any privately held un-coded ammunition must be destroyed by July 1, 2011... Including hand loaded ammo.

They will also charge about .05 cent tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy will go up at least $2.50 or more!
If they can deprive you of ammo then they do not need to take your gun!

This legislation is currently pending in 18 states: Alabama , Arizona , California , Connecticut , Hawaii , Illinois , Indiana , Kentucky , Maryland , Mississippi , Missouri ,
New Jersey , New York , Pennsylvania , Rhode Island , South Carolina , Tennessee , and Washington .

To find more about the anti-gun group that is sponsoring this legislation and the specific legislation for each state, go to:

http://ammunitionac countability. org/Legislation. htm

The groups main page: http://ammunitionac countability. org/default. asp

Professionally,

George Eleftheriou, Sr. Investigator
G.E. Investigations, LLC


What are your thoughts?


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 Post subject: Re: Ammunition Accountability Act
 Post Posted: Wed 25 Mar 2009 18:02 
 
what is going on with this. it is news to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Ammunition Accountability Act
 Post Posted: Wed 25 Mar 2009 18:24 
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Commisar Obama and the rest of his Communistic (Democratic) Party members know they can't take our guns....that would indeed cause a full scale political revolution which could lead into a shooting war.

So if they can't get our guns, then what's the next best thing ? Ammo. They also know that Southern states are far more pro-gun and lenient than anywhere else in the country. So who does this new Communisitic Party target ? Us Southerners of course. Guns are useless if there isn't any ammo for them.

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On a seperate note, I went by today to my local gun shop to pick up a new gun and some ammo. 1 of the salesman there is a buddy of mine and when I asked about ammo, he said the ammo was now being held by the government, and he could only sell what he had to purchasers of weapons. Additionally he could only sell me 200 rds. whereas just last month he literally had pallets of ammo sitting on the floor at a thousand rds for $200.00 for 5.56mm.

I never, in my wildest dreams, ever thought I would see our government imitating the worst dictators in world history. Never did I ever think that my rights to purchase, carry, and target shoot weapons would become endangered to the point of extinction.

Even some gun loving democrats (friends of mine), who supported and voted for Commisar Obama, are now regretting thier decisions.

This is illegal, unconstitutional, and quite frankly it scares the hell out of me. The bright side to all of this is that we only have to endure Commisar Obama for a little over 3 more years....36 months. Hopefully then we can remove him from office and vote in a pro-gun government who will undo all of this administrations illegal actions. I am literally counting the days till then.

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 Post Posted: Wed 25 Mar 2009 18:58 
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I'd be calling somebody!
Thank You God! I live in Arkansas

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 Post subject: Re: Ammunition Accountability Act
 Post Posted: Wed 25 Mar 2009 19:47 
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Tell me who to call and I'll gladly call them....

Here is this bill's text for Alabama:

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96647-1:n:03/24/2008:DA/aw LRS2008-162

SB541
By Senator Smitherman
RFD Judiciary
Rd 1 25-MAR-08


SYNOPSIS: Under existing law, there is no requirement that ammunition manufactured or sold in this state be coded.
This bill would require, commencing January 1, 2009, that handgun ammunition be coded. This bill would require by January 1, 2011, the disposal of all non-coded ammunition owned by private citizens or retail outlets.
This bill would require the Department of Public Safety to establish and maintain an ammunition coding database. This bill would require ammunition vendors and manufacturers to register with the Department of Public Safety.
This bill would require certain information in connection with handgun ammunition transactions be recorded, transmitted to the Department of Public Safety, and maintained by the vendor and manufacturer.
This bill would provide for a fee not to exceed 0.005 cent per bullet or round of ammunition to establish and maintain the ammunition code database.
This bill would provide penalties for violations.
Amendment 621 of the Constitution of Alabama of 1901, now appearing as Section 111.05 of the Official Recompilation of the Constitution of Alabama of 1901, as amended, prohibits a general law whose purpose or effect would be to require a new or increased expenditure of local funds from becoming effective with regard to a local governmental entity without enactment by a 2/3 vote unless: it comes within one of a number of specified exceptions; it is approved by the affected entity; or the Legislature appropriates funds, or provides a local source of revenue, to the entity for the purpose.
The purpose or effect of this bill would be to require a new or increased expenditure of local funds within the meaning of the amendment. However, the bill does not require approval of a local governmental entity or enactment by a 2/3 vote to become effective because it comes within one of the specified exceptions contained in the amendment.


A BILL
TO BE ENTITLED
AN ACT

Relating to firearms and ammunition; to require handgun ammunition to be coded; to require, under certain conditions, the disposal of all non-coded ammunition owned by private citizens or retail outlets; to require the Department of Public Safety to establish a statewide database to track coded ammunition manufactured and sold for handguns; to require ammunition vendors and manufacturers to register with and provide information to the Department of Public Safety; to provide for a fee to establish and maintain an ammunition coding database; to establish the Code Ammunition Fund in the State Treasury; to provide for civil and criminal penalties; and in connection therewith would have as its purpose or effect the requirement of a new or increased expenditure of local funds within the meaning of Amendment 621 of the Constitution of Alabama of 1901, now appearing as Section 111.05 of the Official Recompilation of the Constitution of Alabama of 1901, as amended.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF ALABAMA:

Section 1. The Legislature of Alabama finds all of the following:

(1) Each year in the United States, more than 30 percent of all homicides that involve a gun go unsolved.

(2) Handgun ammunition accounts for 80 percent of all ammunition sold in the United States.

(3) Current technology for matching a bullet used in a crime to the gun that fired it has worked moderately well for years, but presupposes that the weapon was recovered by law enforcement.

(4) Bullet coding is a new and effective way for law enforcement to quickly identify persons of interest in gun crime investigations.

Section 2. As used in this act, the following words shall have the following meanings:

(1) CODED AMMUNITION. A bullet carrying a unique identifier that has been applied by etching onto the base of the bullet projectile.

(2) HANDGUN. Any firearm with a barrel less than 16 inches in length, or is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand.

(3) HANDGUN AMMUNITION. All ammunition principally for use in pistols, notwithstanding that the ammunition may also be used in other firearms, including bullets used for reloading or handloading pistol ammunition.

Section 3. (a) All handgun ammunition manufactured or sold in the state after January 1, 2009, shall be coded by the manufacturer.

(b) No later than January 1, 2011, all non-coded ammunition used in a handgun, whether owned by private citizens or retail outlets, shall be disposed of.

Section 4. (a) The Department of Public Safety shall be responsible for establishing and maintaining an Ammunition Coding Database (ACD) containing the names of manufacturers and vendors and the data the manufacturers and vendors are required to record pursuant to subsections (b) and (c).

(b) Manufacturers of handgun ammunition offered for sale in this state shall register with the department in a manner prescribed by the department through rule. Manufacturers shall maintain records specifying the unique identifier for all coded ammunition for all sales, loans, and transfers of ammunition, to, from, or within the state, shall transmit the information to the department within 10 business days, and shall retain the information on the business premises for seven years.

(c) Vendors of handgun ammunition in this state shall register with the department in a manner prescribed by the department through rule. Vendors shall record the following information for each caliber of coded ammunition in a form prescribed by the department:

(1) The date of the transaction.

(2) The name of the transferee.

(3) The purchaser's driver's license number or other government issued identification card number.

(4) The date of birth of the purchaser.

(5) The unique identifier of all handgun ammunition transferred.

(6) All other information prescribed by the department.

(d) A vendor of handgun information in this state shall maintain the records required by subsection (b) on the business premises for a period of three years from the date of the recorded purchase and shall remit the information on each transaction collected pursuant to this subsection to the department within 10 business days.

(e) The ACD shall be built within the framework of existing firearms databases. The ACD shall be operational no later than January 1, 2009.

(f) Privacy of individuals shall be of the utmost importance. Access to information in the ACD shall be reserved for key law enforcement personnel and shall be released only in connection with a criminal investigation.

Section 5. (a) Any vendor that willfully fails to comply with, or falsifies the records required to be kept by this act shall be guilty of a Class B misdemeanor.

(b) Any manufacturer that fails to comply with this section shall be liable for a civil fine of not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000) for a first violation, not more than five thousand dollars ($5,000) for a second violation, and not more than ten thousand dollars ($10,000) for a third or subsequent violation.

(c) Any person who willfully destroys, obliterates, or otherwise renders unreadable, the serialization required pursuant to this act, on any bullet or assembled ammunition is punishable by imprisonment not to exceed one year, and a fine of one thousand dollars ($1,000).

Section 6. (a) Establishing and maintaining the ACD shall be funded by an end-user fee not to exceed five thousandths cent (0.005) per bullet or round of ammunition.

(b) There is hereby established in the State Treasury the Coded Ammunition Fund for deposit of the end-user fees pursuant to subsection (a). Moneys in the fund, upon appropriation, shall be available to the department for infrastructure, implementation, operational, enforcement, and future development costs of this act.

(c) Ammunition manufacturers based within this state shall be allowed a one-time corporate income tax credit for the cost of purchasing ammunition coding equipment. All applications on the credit shall be submitted to the Department of Revenue by January 1, 2009. The State Department of Revenue shall adopt rules to provide for the one-time tax credit pursuant to the Administrative Procedure Act.

Section 7. This act shall become effective on the first day of the third month following its passage and approval by the Governor, or its otherwise becoming law.


According to this forum, this bill has been "indefinitely postponed..." in Alabama:
http://www.demopolislive.com/forums/new ... 1-a-3.html

Here is a link to the US Map of all the states where the bill has been introduced:

http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm

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 Post subject: Re: Ammunition Accountability Act
 Post Posted: Thu 26 Mar 2009 08:54 
 
I am wondering how they are going to track buckshot? Possibly they will insert small micro streamers as they do in a Tazer?

We were at the gun store yesterday and it was packed. People are HORDING weapons and ammo. If they didn't have what they person wanted, they just bought what they had. What a bad bad way to make a weapons purchase.

Next they will want us to swipe a card into a weapon before you pull the trigger ... wait, wait, I had it right here. You go stand over there and well shoot at each other in a minute. OK Thanks.

Sigh.


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 Post Posted: Thu 26 Mar 2009 10:50 
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You're close to that concept. "Fingerprint Recognition" is a concept they (The Communists) have been experimenting with for yrs now. Developing "smart weapons" that will only fire when the weapon recognizes the fingerprint signature of the registered owner of that weapon.

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 Post subject: Re: Ammunition Accountability Act
 Post Posted: Fri 27 Mar 2009 08:37 
 
I had the pleasure to demo a concept weapon system that would only fire if it was within 6" of a wrist band that contains a transponder.

Still needed work.


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 Post subject: Re: Ammunition Accountability Act
 Post Posted: Fri 27 Mar 2009 10:20 
 
As long as the battery was good you would stay alive!


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 Post subject: Re: Ammunition Accountability Act
 Post Posted: Thu 16 Apr 2009 12:28 
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I have been to 6 gun / sporting good shops in the SF Bay Area in the last week. All of them were out of target ammo. Only had the expensive defense ammo for handguns. And only a few boxes of that.

Two weeks ago I stopped by one shop and on a whim bought a case of cheap 9mm ( at .30 cents a round ). Went yesterday, all gone.

I didn't believe the stories about the shortage last year. Should've listened and stocked up last year when there still was cheap ammo.

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