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SpanielPI
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Post subject: Handcuff Keys Posted: Sun 08 Apr 2012 12:56 |
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Joined: Thu 16 Jun 2005 16:04 Posts: 4598 Location: NE Alabama
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How much thought have you given to your cuff keys ? Probably very little if at all. Have you ever considered the possibility that you could be captured ? Then restrained with your own cuffs ? While it doesn't happen often, or at least the media never hears about it, it does happen. So 1 of the practice drills that I used to run on trainees was that very scenario. I instructed them to be cuffed in back, mark their gun belt where their fingers could reach under and behind the belt, then secure a spare, elongated cuff key in that spot. Then if they ever do get captured, they have the means to escape. Just food for thought.
P.S. I gave out miniaturized pr-24 style cuff keys in St. Louis. If any of the NABBI members or any FRN verified member would like some, pm me with your mailing address.
_________________ River City Associates Decatur, Al. 35601
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NYPD BLUE
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Post subject: Re: Handcuff Keys Posted: Sun 08 Apr 2012 13:10 |
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Joined: Thu 16 Dec 2010 10:07 Posts: 1033 Location: Miami, FL
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Good post .. I carry 4 keys at all times with me..
also was taught in the NYPD academy how to handcuff up to 6 people with one pair of handcuffs...
very good info for when you need to get out of a jam fast ... (and no you dont loop anything thru belts or clothes..
_________________ JEFF P. Limited Surety Agent (FL) - License # P_2O8124_ Private Investigator (FL) - License # C_27OOO33_ NABBI Member
"Surprise Sex is the Best Thing to Wake up to, UNLESS, You are in Jail... "
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speezack
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Post subject: Re: Handcuff Keys Posted: Mon 09 Apr 2012 07:26 |
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Joined: Fri 02 Mar 2007 10:51 Posts: 5055 Location: South Central Virginia
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That is great information Ruffin.... I keep a hidden key in the waistband of my underwear.... this came in very handy when Gail wouldn't take the cuffs off me the other nite.. uh... anyway... I was able to squirm around and get the key and got myself out of a very unusual situation... it was a bit embarrasing when they opened the Food Lion store at 8am and I was cuffed in the vegetable department but I managed to get the cuffs off and ran out the backdoor.... thank God I had the key in my underwear... I did manage to get all the lettuce leaves, carrots and a few cherry tomatoes out of my underwear also.... whew... glad that is over....................... Thanks Ruffin for a a great post... keep those keys handy!!!
_________________ Bill Marx, Sr. "FREE STATE BAIL BONDS" "FREE STATE INVESTIGATIONS" DCJS: 99-176979 Cell: 434-294-0222
"Endeavor to Persevere" "Lone Watie"
"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that , comes from bad judgment" "Will Rogers"
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snakebyte
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Post subject: Re: Handcuff Keys Posted: Mon 09 Apr 2012 08:44 |
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Joined: Sat 31 Dec 2005 19:08 Posts: 80 Location: Michigan
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I've carried a spare key or two on my personal keys and my wallet for years. Ya never know... But, you have me wondering about the 6 people...smoke is pouring outta my ears...help...lol
_________________ Jeff B Westland, MI 810-459-3556 I do ccw/cpl classes, and love to train. I would appreciate the opportunity to get some experience in his field, so if anyone can use any free help, I'm used to working in high risk and high liability situations.
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speezack
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Post subject: Re: Handcuff Keys Posted: Mon 09 Apr 2012 09:02 |
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Joined: Fri 02 Mar 2007 10:51 Posts: 5055 Location: South Central Virginia
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Quote: But, you have me wondering about the 6 people hands together... thumbs or maybe several fingers of each together... lock it down tight....
_________________ Bill Marx, Sr. "FREE STATE BAIL BONDS" "FREE STATE INVESTIGATIONS" DCJS: 99-176979 Cell: 434-294-0222
"Endeavor to Persevere" "Lone Watie"
"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that , comes from bad judgment" "Will Rogers"
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MarshallSvc
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Post subject: Re: Handcuff Keys Posted: Mon 09 Apr 2012 10:32 |
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Joined: Sun 18 May 2008 20:26 Posts: 2038 Location: Pennsylvanaia
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Great post Ruffin. I always carry a spare key and used to do the same at work (State C.O.) for all the same reasons.
_________________ Heritage and Profession Together
J.G. Marshall MARSHALL FUGITIVE SERVICE Lic. # 2008-392 Moderator
Its the Irish in my mind that keeps me sane, and the Irish in my heart that keeps me strong.
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Yak
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Post subject: Re: Handcuff Keys Posted: Mon 09 Apr 2012 10:50 |
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Joined: Sun 16 Jan 2005 11:40 Posts: 966 Location: New Jersey
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Bill wrote: Quote: I did manage to get all the lettuce leaves, carrots and a few cherry tomatoes out of my underwear also.... whew... glad that is over....................... I just thought you happy to see us Bill ....
_________________ Yak .... H.B.I.C. Riverside Enforcement Hackensack NJ 07601 Ph. (201) 538 - 2947 Fax (201) 342 - 5405
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marc_spector
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Post subject: Re: Handcuff Keys Posted: Tue 17 Apr 2012 22:05 |
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Joined: Thu 21 Jul 2011 19:26 Posts: 109 Location: Minnesota
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Caution is key.
I have multiple pairs of handcuffs, all of which are kept double-locked when I am not working a recovery. If someone were to break in to your house while you were sleeping, (and regardless of your nightstand gun, most people don't shoot in their sleep), and found your handcuffs, it would be better for them not to be able to use them.
_________________ (Freelance) Recovery Agent, MN.
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BigDave
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Post subject: Re: Handcuff Keys Posted: Wed 18 Apr 2012 12:28 |
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Joined: Fri 18 Apr 2008 10:00 Posts: 760 Location: New York State
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I understand your point, but when a case pops up......I don't know about you..........the last thing I'll probably check is if my handcuffs are unlocked, right before I hook them to my belt or throw them in my pocket, and that's not the time to make sure they are unlocked. Unless that's what your accustomed to I would not suggest doing that, because the change of habit will throw you off. I heard a story of a guy who was trained to not keep one in the chamber. So every time he had to draw his weapon he would have to cycle it to put one in the chamber. He still does that now by instinct, even if there is one in the chamber. How many people would remember to do that if the need arose. My point as stated, don't do unless that's your regular routine, because it has the potential of getting you jammed up.
_________________ If the world didn't suck we would all fall off. (Luvonda) Nobody has power over you that you do not allow them to have. (Scott) Be careful of the seeds you plant because one day they will be harvested.
Dave Private Investigator Licensed by the NYS DOS Division of Licensing
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NYPD BLUE
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Post subject: Re: Handcuff Keys Posted: Wed 18 Apr 2012 14:25 |
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Joined: Thu 16 Dec 2010 10:07 Posts: 1033 Location: Miami, FL
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speezack wrote: Quote: But, you have me wondering about the 6 people hands together... thumbs or maybe several fingers of each together... lock it down tight.... Bill is spot on ... good job Bill !!!!!!!
_________________ JEFF P. Limited Surety Agent (FL) - License # P_2O8124_ Private Investigator (FL) - License # C_27OOO33_ NABBI Member
"Surprise Sex is the Best Thing to Wake up to, UNLESS, You are in Jail... "
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